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September 9, 2014 | By: Robert A. Green, CPA

Is a Financial Transactions Tax Coming to the U.S.?
The Traders Podcast with Rob Booker (Bonus Episode)
Interview of Robert A. Green, CPA on FTT, fiscal cliff, tax politics and year-end planning for 2012
http://traderspodcast.com/ Dec. 7, 2012. It’s around 35 minutes.

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  • In this special BONUS episode of The Traders Podcast, your host Rob Booker catches up with Robert A. Green CPA, a tax expert who has prepared the returns of thousands of traders from all over the world. Bob is also the founder of Green Trader Tax.com. Our friend, Bob, visited The Traders Podcast to discuss a financial transactions tax that was passed in France and is in the process of being passed in 11 countries in Europe. He discusses the possibility of this financial transactions tax coming to the United States.
  • So, Mr. Green encourages U.S. traders to call their representatives and raise their voices about this financial transactions tax. Bob has provided a petition, which he encourages everyone to sign, in order to block the financial transactions tax in the U.S. Bob asks the listeners to sign this petition, and send it to Congress.

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Save traders’ jobs: Do not enact a financial-transaction tax

November 24, 2009 | By: Robert A. Green, CPA

Traders, please join us by speaking out to defend your job and business from the government’s tax axe.

Kindly click the Rally Congress link below to read and sign our petition. While you are at our Rally Congress page, please also send this letter (or your own customized version) to your Congressman and distribute it to your social media (Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn). You can offer your comments on that page too. Please help spread the word on trader message boards and in our trader community. We need as much support as possible to win here.

Rally Congress Action Petition 

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Here’s a copy of the letter (but please don’t forget to sign the Rally Congress version):

Dear Congressman,

Please don’t pass a financial-transaction tax. It will cause my colleagues and me to lose our jobs. I understand you want to pass a financial-transaction to finance a new jobs recovery bill. That makes very little sense, because the tax would put me out of business and lead to job losses among my colleagues. Look at the number of people who have signed this petition and kindly count them as job losses. If you can table the financial-transaction tax, you can count this number as saved jobs. 

Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) continues to support the tax as a way to pay for a jobs bill he is drafting with Rep. Ed Perlmutter (D-Colo.) titled “Let Wall Street Pay for the Restoration of Main Street Act of 2009.” They are proposing a 0.25-percent tax on the sale and purchase of financial instruments including stocks, options, derivatives, and futures. 

I’m a humble small business trader trading in an honest and legal manner to support my family. If you pass this tax and put me out of business, I have few job prospects in this economy. I understand recovery may take another year or two, and I can’t wait that long. I’m not necessarily suitable for some of the new jobs advocated by the government, such as road construction, working in windmills, and green-energy installation jobs. I am doing a good job for myself and society using my higher education, knowledge of computers and the internet, and my savings to trade the financial markets. Many traders have already used up unemployment benefits after being laid off, so if you put them out of businesses, they will have no safety net. Traders buy goods and services from Main Street and most traders live on Main Street, not Wall Street. This tax proposal will hurt existing Main Street jobs and won’t produce new ones, either. 

I’ve read that supporters view this transaction tax as a way to “make Wall Street pay.” But their logic is inaccurate: The economy’s downward spiral was caused by the real estate bubble and poor lending practices; not by traders. The stock-market recovery since March 2009 — one of the few bright spots of the economic recovery — has been helped by traders like me bidding up stocks on a daily basis. Traders provided liquidity when financial markets crashed, buying stocks when other investors panicked and sold off.

Kindly reassess the financial-transaction tax and do not include it in your jobs recovery efforts. If you believe taxes should be charged against some of those on Wall Street — big banks and institutions — please don’t lump me in that category. Why not consider a bank levy as suggested by Secretary Geithner and the IMF instead?

If you’re looking to raise taxes from Wall Street, here’s another idea. You could let the TARP banks and institutions pay bonuses to their workers in stock rather than cash. As I understand it, close to 50 percent of those bonus payments (whether in cash or stock) will go to federal, state, and city taxes, amounting to $50 billion dollars or more (rough estimates). This is a similar dollar amount you intend to raise with the financial-transaction tax. If you don’t allow the Wall Street banks to pay bonuses and they retain those profits, it won’t necessarily enhance capital and it won’t lead to higher tax revenue. Those banks have large net operating losses to soak up the profits. 

Everyone I know in the trading business will be forced out of work with the financial-transaction tax, so you won’t collect the projected tax revenue from us. If you pass this tax in the U.S. well before the rest of the world’s financial centers pass it, traders all over the globe will trade foreign markets instead of U.S. markets. In addition to running me out of business, you’ll also force my brokerage firm and the financial exchanges to lay off employees. This tax will bring many unintended consequences, including job losses on Main Street.

President Obama empowered Treasury Secretary Geithner to speak for the U.S. on the world stage at the G20 meeting in November. Secretary Geithner said he didn’t support this tax, and he is trying to coordinate the effort with the rest of the world. The IMF gave early indication it doesn’t support the tax as well, but it will present its official report in April 2010. I don’t understand why left-wing elements of the Democratic Party are still pushing hard for this tax and jumping the gun on the global effort. I thought President Obama wants to cooperate with the world and not bully it with unilateral action. 

In summary, this financial-transaction tax seems very unwise. Raising taxes on traders will kill jobs, put small companies out of business, and in the end, raise very little revenue. With these groups out of work, their tax revenue is lost. Touting this tax as a way to create jobs on the government level (short-term jobs that have no sticking power) is an incredibly shortsighted move. If you count the saved and created jobs, you’ll find you’re destroying jobs on a net basis. Please leave this analysis to people who are well trained in economics, such as Secretary Geithner. Kudos to him for handling the global stage properly on this matter. We trust he will lend his voice to President Obama and continue to speak out against a financial-transaction tax. 


Robert A. Green, CPA
President, CEO 
GreenTraderTax Traders Association

More thoughts on the financial-transactions tax

November 18, 2009 | By: Robert A. Green, CPA

At the G20 meeting Nov. 6-7 in Scotland, the idea of a global financial-transaction tax received a mixed response. UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown said a tax of this nature could be used to fund future bank bailouts; France and Germany agreed. U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner spoke out against it, and Canada and Russia don’t support it as well. The IMF leadership said they aren’t in favor of this tax, however, they faced backlash from their statements. Supporters of the tax strongly suggested the IMF wait to solidify its stance until its official April 2010 report, asking the IMF to give the tax its due process and consider all options.

It seems as though the IMF ultimately won’t support the tax, but for now, we have to wait until it releases its April report. 

I have spoken out against this tax from the beginning, and my stance hasn’t changed. The good news is, with countries in the G20 divided on the issue, it seems less likely to gain traction. No country wants to enact a financial-transaction tax if it is going to lose business to other countries that do not. This is much like the issue of climate control — everyone wants to participate only if everyone participates.

In the U.S., this tax would be harmful to traders and other businesses — those people hurt by the tax will take their trading business elsewhere, trading the U.S. markets less, which in turn will reduce commissions and jobs, and hurt the overall market and economy.

Is the tax still a possibility in the U.S.? 
Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) continues to support the tax in the U.S., selling it with the notion the revenue generated from it will go toward infrastructure and healthcare. I do believe DeFazio and other supporters will continue to propose these taxes, and it’s important to note that if leadership does support it, it will be hard to stop. However, with Geithner’s recent comments at the G20 and other opposition to the tax surfacing, I feel the chances of the tax being passed are slim.

Update on Nov 18. Just as presumed, Congressman DeFazio and other progressives and big-labor supporters in Congress are scrambling to include a financial-transaction tax as part of new jobs bills in the U.S. House of Representatives. See the latest news below and my updated comments on that news too (coming later today on the blog). 

If the discussions of this tax don’t evaporate globally and in the U.S., I hope supporters will think about exempting traders from it. (In fact, the news last night mentions that DeFazio includes an exemption for the first $100,000 of small investors’ trades – see more on my next blog tonight. Business traders would blow through that exemption in one day.) 

UK proponents argue traders don’t add value to society; this is flat-out false. True, traders aren’t saving lives every day like doctors, but they are creating an honest living for themselves and their families, and adding liquidity to the marketplace. Another argument for this tax is Wall Street caused this recession we’re in today, so it should have to pay for it. This is also inaccurate. The economy’s downward spiral was caused by the real estate bubble and poor lending practices — sub prime loans knowingly issued to candidates who could not afford them in the long term.

Pillars of society
Throughout history trading has been a valid activity — a sign of strength and power in the U.S. and UK. If a trader wants to trade and pay his local and state taxes, he has that right. Traders turn around and support their neighbors with commerce because they are making profits. Our trader clients are in all areas of the U.S. — from big cities to small rural areas, and everywhere in between — using the same tools as Wall Street. Labeling traders as “useless” and hitting them with a “vice” tax is outrageous. 

This tax would be a step in the wrong direction. Conservative author Ayn Rand (Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged) was an advocate of individual rights. She argued society is better when individuals seek to take care of themselves, becoming “pillars of society” and not “second-handers,” or those who look to others to get them through life. Rand’s ideas from the 1940s and 1950s are still valid today. If we stop respecting individual rights, the result will be very dangerous for society, and we’re leaning in that direction with this tax.

Financial-transaction tax vs. bank bailout approach
As I have said previously, a transaction tax is a shotgun approach, killing small business traders. It may look good on paper, but it’s difficult to assess, implement, and collect. Deciding how to spend the revenue generated would be difficult — it would likely end up in a general fund and not be available for a bank bailout. Also, there are numerous products traded, some of which are traded off exchange, so it would be very difficult to gain access to all transactions efficiently to assess the tax. The tax might look good on paper, but developing a working model is sure to be problematic. 

Conversely, a bank bailout fee (or levy, or tax) already has a good working model, such as the FDIC, and those taxed during a bailout are a small number of financial institutions — roughly thousands vs. the hundreds of millions of traders that would be affected by a financial-transaction tax. A bank bailout fee is much easier to assess as well. This seems to be the approach best-supported by Secretary Geithner and the IMF — who is weighing the options of either an IMF bank levy or a global financial-transaction tax. IMF officials have indicated they prefer the bank levy approach. The progressives in the UK are holding them to task, asking them not to rush to make a judgment. Their official report is expected to be released in April 2010. 

In the U.S., progressives may still push for a transaction tax, but our legislative calendar is probably similar to the IMF calendar. The House may include a financial-transaction tax in a jobs bill before year-end, but the Senate probably won’t until Q1 2010. Raising taxes in 2010 may be dangerous with the 2010 mid-term elections. 

Both a levy or a financial-transaction tax bring some of the same questions. Should the approach be implemented globally, or should individual countries make their own decision? And what should the money be used for? I think a realistic answer to the latter question is to develop an “insurance” fund used to prop up banks when necessary; certainly the FDIC is running short of money, and having that type of bailout fund is a smart idea. This is what the U.S. and IMF leadership say they will support; let’s hope they keep this stance.

Balance is needed
A financial-transaction tax is not in the interest of the U.S. — it’s a “punishment” tax that would be difficult to implement, and there would be unintended consequences. If you want to raise taxes, let the banks pay the bonuses while the government collects the taxes on them. Remember, banks need to become profitable again and build up their profit base; they need support now more than ever. There’s a lot of “fighting in the family” occurring while we try to climb out of this severe recession. If Wall Street is home to fat cats while the rest of the public goes hungry, no one is winning. We need balance to get out of this battle of the classes and battle of the industries. 

Update: More news released last night (Nov. 17), just after we wrote this piece. 

Just as presumed, Congressman DeFazio and other progressives and big-labor supporters in Congress are scrambling to include a financial-transaction tax as part of new (high-priority) jobs bills in the U.S. House of Representatives. See this news in the Google Alert links at the bottom of this blog.

I am preparing a www.rallycongress.com letter for traders to email their Congressmen. DeFazio wants to use a financial-transaction tax to help pay for a new jobs bill. My big point is that this tax will put traders out of a job and you need to let your Congressman and the supporters of this tax know that too. Let’s get together a 100,000 signatures to show 100,000 potential job losses. Let them put that on recovery.gov for safe, created and destroyed jobs. Here are my Voice Notes for this letter. The first file is http://www.greencompany.com/Association/FinancialTransactionTaxVoiceNotes111709.m4a . It was cut off after 8 minutes, so please pick up where it left off on Part II belowhttp://www.greencompany.com/Association/FinancialTransactionTaxVoiceNotes111709PartII.m4a .

Stand by, more to come tomorrow, including Green’s specific replies to the new DeFazio proposals. 

Google News Alert for financial transaction tax:

Dems eye stock trade tax
The Hill
Small- and medium-sized investors would hardly notice a transaction tax, but major trading firms may see it as a significant threat to their profits…
See all stories on this topic.

US House plans jobs bill before year end
Some of these programs could be funded by a transaction tax on Wall Street, or money left over from the financial-industry rescue package, said the House’s …
See all stories on this topic.

Thomson Reuters to acquire Sabrix from venture capital firms
Trading Markets (press release)
… through its Tax & Accounting business, has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire Sabrix, Inc., a provider of transaction tax management…

Protestors to Goldman Sachs: “You Are Not God” – Bernanke Explains Why
Huffington Post (blog)
A good way to do this would be to impose a small financial transaction tax on all profitable stock transactions. A study by Dean Baker’s Center for Economic …
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The Hindu
In the circumstances, many argue that Brown’s declaration of support for a financial transactions tax may just be his last effort to gain populist mileage …
See all stories on this topic.

How feasible is a financial tax to fund adaptation?
Reuters AlertNet
The advantage of a financial transaction tax, he says, is that it creates “no burden on the ordinary tax-payer and (is) able to raise more money…

Financial-transaction tax remains a hot button issue

October 21, 2009 | By: Robert A. Green, CPA

The financial-transaction tax is still a hot topic in the U.S. and internationally.

In the U.S., supporters of this tax believe it’s a way to raise revenue from banks (and other traders) who are making “too much money” and paying “much too high bonuses.” Left-wing lawmakers continue to claim Wall Street caused the market meltdown, so it should pay for the cleanup, and lumps all traders into this group. Wall Street professionals are cleaning up the mess by making billions in trading profits and they are ready to fork over half those gains to the government in tax withholding on bonuses. But lawmakers are willing to cut off their own noses by trying to prevent the bonus payments, which would eliminate tax revenue. They don’t realize that leaving these profits in the banks will probably lead to little to no tax payments, because the banks can offset those in-entity profits with net operating loss (NOL) carryovers. Unintended consequences are the biggest problem with lawmakers who don’t understand all the nuances of a certain business. See my further reply on this point at http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/transaction-tax-is-floated-on-capitol-hill/#comment-327433 .

As I predicted over the past few months, the financial-transaction tax has moved to the global stage, beyond the fringe extreme-left part of the U.S. Congress, as sponsored by Congressman Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.). A “currency tax” or “global tax” or “Tobin Tax” is deemed by some to be a valid way of raising new (tax) revenue on financial transactions. This global transaction tax has become part of the debate for coordinated worldwide-efforts for financial reform and systemic risk. A few weeks ago, the financial-transaction tax was fiercely debated in European capitals as part of EU financial reform efforts, G20 financial efforts and in individual countries such as the UK, Germany and France. See my quick comments on that below.

As leaders and financial institutions globally have joined the debate, in general, politicians on the left, often in favor of “taxing the rich,” are calling for this global tax, and politicians on the center and right disagree, suggesting a FDIC-type fee instead.

Here is one good article on this global tax:
“IMF Examines Global Tax on Financial Institutions”http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125450903842060037.html

EliteTrader.com members continue to monitor the story with postings of all the links. Seehttp://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=150546

I left this comment on the Wall Street Journal site next to the article: “The less political-minded ministers are right: Using an FDIC-type fee to insure the global financial system and build an international bailout fund (an international FDIC system) makes sense. That FDIC-type fee is properly rifle-targeted, fairly applied, easily assessed and collected. Conversely, a financial-transaction tax is unfairly shotgun-targeted and applied, and very difficult to assess and collect.

“Proponents of the shotgun-approach transaction tax display emotion and antagonism against the rich and financial centers (NYC and London). They want to use the shotgun approach to punish and create fear against unbridled financial capitalism. Tax proponent Frank-Walter Steinmeier used talk of this tax to burnish his campaign for German Chancellor and he lost that election badly. Re-elected German Chancellor Angela Merkel suggested a fee or other system was more appropriate. UK Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling remains the emotional whipping boy tyrant against his own London financial center. Certainly his Labour party is reeling in the polls and the Tories are expected to win the next election. Economic populism against the rich and banks may seem like a good idea, but as we try to climb out of this jobless-recession, it’s being exposed as more harmful than good.”

Just the French are left and they seem to be overtaken by those who want to hold off.

Financial-transactions tax: a new threat to traders

January 15, 2009 | By: Robert A. Green, CPA

A potential new “financial-transaction tax” assessed on trading transactions would significantly increase taxes on traders. Imagine breaking even for the year and having to pay a $50,000 tax (0.25 percent tax times $10 million of sales proceeds and $10 million of purchases). Don’t sit idly by and allow pundits and members of Congress denigrate traders, lumping them into the “sintax” category. Online trading is a valued profession and it’s time to demand respect and defend your (tax) rights!

Click here to read Robert A. Green’s first article on this controversial subject (PDF, 15 pages).